Pattern Carpet Rooms having independence of other rooms
Erika Frey
Rooms are not always attached to other rooms and when the pattern repeat is figured, it can add a substantial amount of waste. It would be great to have a way to select a room that you do not want to be considered as part of the length/width repeat. However it still needs to be considered for it's cut and fill in the grand total.
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I agree with Erika's comments. This is a needed enhancement. Measure often calculates too much carpet when a pattern repeat is applied. I have some estimates for patterned carpet at apartment units and I have to account for the repeat with in a unit, but I do not need to include a repeat between units. That would be one example of how measure way over calculates the carpet need. The same would be true in a large commercial building where pattern carpet is used at select rooms that often don't touch. Carpet repeat should not necessarily be calculated universally
My guess is that is going to be a tough one to program, we'll see. I understand both your examples that some rooms don't have to match but are forced to follow the match on the roll. The best practice for now is to do those material areas that don't need a match with a separate material, then add that number to your user waste for the pattern match material.
Jerry, not sure what you are referring to with " I do not need to include a repeat between units" the match in unit A should affect the match in unit B, etc. Unless you are using Fixed drawing position as your pattern start.
If there is something I not understanding, I can call you and we can review.
David, it is simple. If unit A has a main cut and a fill piece then I need to account for a match between the cut and fill, let's call that cut group 1. Likewise with unit B I need a main cut and a fill piece w/ a match, let's call that cut group 2. Currently measure will include a match for each cut group AND between each cut group, but the reality is that the match between the cut groups is not needed since the two units don't touch (they might not even be in the same building, yet measure will include a match). When I am bidding a project with 210 units, that equates to 210 matches that are not needed.
I think the essence of the request is something like this: That users be given a tool to group rooms together so that a match is included only between the cuts that belong within each group, but no match is calculated at the cut gap between groups.
We recently install an apartment complex that fit this scenario. There were multiple buildings w/ multiple units in each building and the bedroom/closet carpet had a 24" x 28" repeat. Due to the limitations of measure we had several rolls left over when the job was done.
I like this idea Jerry, makes sense.
"I think the essence of the request is something like this: That users be given a tool to group rooms together so that a match is included only between the cuts that belong within each group, but no match is calculated at the cut gap between groups."
In fact the ability to group rooms is already in place, just need to add the rule that the repeat is only included within groups.
The Pattern Repeat is adding too much waste for stairs as well and layout is not allowing to move the pattern for the steps even when you try and use "center". You have to Tetris the stairs back in order as RFMS hodge-podges the layout. The LOCK cuts does not seem to always lock the cuts
I experienced this very issue just today. broadloom carpet with a large repeat (72" x 84") and Measure put the run of stair carpet right smack in the middle of the roll. Two stair runs in fact and both landed in the middle of the roll one after the other - ridiculous amount of waste. We need better control over carpet pattern starts per room.
I'd like to address an ongoing discussion about the pattern match in a drop room. In the Room tab, would it be possible to add an action to the pattern dialogue where it identifies a detached room drop, (a room with a pattern match that doesn't need added match waste).
Example, I have a Master BR and 2 guest BRs with a 24x36 pattern match. The MBR is the only room with a seam and the two guest rooms are 11'6" wide. Right now I have to change the 2 guest BRs to a non patterned carpet and add the total to the MBR. The installers get confused when only one color carpet is given to them.
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